And it's about this . . .
This morning I went to the BOCC work session on the public works vegetation spraying program, which was halted August 26, 2005, after a spray crew mistakenly sprayed in a cleaerly marked "No Spray" zone in Arch Cape. As usual, I was the only candidate not already on the Board who attended.
It's an important issue, but that's not my story.
After the meeting I walked across the street to LazerQuick, to have something copied quickly, leaving my truck parked in the lot behind the Boyington Building.
When I returned a few minutes later, Sam Patrick, Ed Wegener and Richard Lee were posed against the back of my truck like Bonnie and Clyde and friend, arms folded over the siderails, feet up on the bumper, pointing to the campaign sign I have attached to the back gate, smiling real big. And Scott Derickson was standing a few feet away, snapping their picture with his camera phone.
They all thought it was quite funny, and seemed completely flummoxed at my sharp, "Hey! Get away."
"Is this your war face?" Patrick asked. "We were just admiring your bed liner," Wegener said.
Like I said: Integrity, respect, honesty, responsibility. That's what this election is all about.
24 Comments:
Such Kharma!
These three characters standing by the sign, actually stupid enough to be photographed standing beside it, of the candidate who just kicked Richard Lee's butt in a shocking turn of events for "The Network" and an omen to others that change is coming.
Such Irony!
Love It!
Don't be too sensitive Cyndy. Sounds pretty funny to me. The question is, why would this bother someone such as yourself at all?? You need to lighten up I think.
You should ask for a copy of that photo yourself and display it in front of you beside your name at your new seat on County Commission after you are sworn-in as one of our newest Commissioners.
Make sure Patrick gets a good look at it every meeting with the warning:"This could happen to you."
Of course you would never do that but, I would, in a heartbeat
Hi Cynthia,
I'm curious about a couple of accusations you made of R Lee in your letter to the editor:
"That my opponent is a man who has spent the last four years representing his own interests"
For instance?
"has contempt for public safety officials and mid-20th century notions of the role of women."
For instance?
" My opponent likewise shows contempt for the rules and regulations that govern business development, costing the county hundreds of man-hours trying to keep him within code compliance. He is currently under investigation for that as well as for his role in the resignation of the chief building inspector."
For instance?
" My opponent has never held a public forum or asked for public input on any issue"
He has personally called on me on several occasions regarding input. I consider myself the public.
"has allowed the fairgrounds to go nearly belly up"
Good one. Don't forget about the fair board, and the other 4 commissioners. Richard Lee is not the "fairgrounds".
"and has failed his neighbors in Miles Crossing by providing them with little or no assistance for their sewer district. "
You won't get much traction there. I'm among many that R Lee has helped assist.
" My opponent has misrepresented the sentiments of the majority of Clatsop County residents and the direction of the board regarding management of state forests, stating at a recent Council of Forest Trust Lands meeting that the lands should be turned over to private industry for maximum economic advantage. "
Is that the same majority that is opposed to LNG? What would you suggest as better management?
" My own candidacy is about a striking reclamation as well: of integrity to the leadership of District 3, of openness, and of government for the people. If you believe, like the editor, that the board has done a good job in the past four years, imagine what we could do with a commissioner who works hard with her colleagues and for her constituency. I ask you to consider your choice more carefully than has the editor."
Once more, compell me. Explain to me so I can understand what exactly you have in mind. So far you have been very general. I can't sink my teeth into anything you have said. Your campaign has been about how bad of a guy R Lee is. Explain what you would do differently.
Glenn, you've become a mockery of yourself. That's the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen you write. Either that or you've gone batshit stupid from your latest fever. You don't give a hoot what I have to say or what any evidence shows. You're the next-to-the-last person in the world I'd spend time answering.
Not mocking myself or anyone.
Not being disingenuous.
You not liking the questions I ask doesn't make me either.
Is this how you treat people when they ask the hard questions? Call 'em "batshit stupid" or "the next to the last person you would answer questions". And you want to be a county commissioner? You think I'm a meany...
I've asked you a couple of times to give particulars and you have refused. Heck, Tryan asked you about particulars and you put him off. Good thing you didn't accuse him of being batshit stupid.
I guess I should have expected your reply.
FWIW, should you win, I have to work with you. You can guarantee I'm not asking you these questions for my health. I honestly want to know what your game plan is. I know what R Lee's game plan is.
More parks?
Less parks?
More art?
Less art?
More regulations?
Less regulations?
More law enforcement?
Less law enforcement?
New Jail?
No jail?
Higher taxes?
Lower taxes?
Support cutting trees? Not?
Private property rights?
Job creation?
Budget for econ development?
Tryan has ears. You are a mouthpiece, pure and simple. These are not hard questions, and I have already answered them, several times.
As a voter I would like to hear the answers. Job creation would be #1 on my request list.
#2 new jail? Yes, No?
#3 more law enforcement? Yes, No?
#4 Taxes Yes, No?
And all the rest the above asked.
Thank You
Cindy, if have an issue and I bring it before the commissioners will I be treated with the same disrespect you have just shown for Glenn. As a commissioner you are expected to respect people even if you disagree with them. What government does not need is leaders with a lack of respect for their constituents or the people they work with. That was downright rude how you answered Glenn.
Oh come on.
Does anyone really beleive that Glenn is actually interested in what Cindy has to say?
Where's Richard Lee's blog, or his e-mail, or any way to reach him?
Better be careful.
Don't say what everyone knows to be ture.
We could get some really important people angry with you.
Respect is a two-way street/
I would have to agree with Cary.
You will have many VOTERS firing questions. The best is way is to remain calm.
Just how many times does Cindy have to answer? Unless of course you don't want to hear the answers.
Just how rich does Lee have to get before Glenn starts wise?
Lee never answers any questions, he just has shills like Glenn and a few anon others raise red herrings?
What about the millions of dollars on county administration buildings?
How is Lee responsible for a long term financial plan that 10 isn't in place yet and 2) nobody can understand
Why did Lee bypass Sheriff Bergin to come with with crazy plan to spen millions to build a jail in St. Helens?
What does LNG have to do with ANYTHING?
If Lee is so popular out in Miles Crossing why isn't he welcome at a lot of businesses out there anymore?
According to Lee's multi$$$$$$ advertisign campaign he did just about everything good the county's ever done.
I don't think people are as dumb as Glenn and a few others who seem to spend a lot of their time trying to discredit the one candidate who's actually willing to engage in real discussion of issues
Cary, you asked: >>Cindy, if have an issue and I bring it before the commissioners will I be treated with the same disrespect you have just shown for Glenn.<<
Only if you ask me the same questions three times a day in three different forums, over a period of two months, and never EVER listen. At that point I will probably give up and you may think you've heard me mutter "batshit stupid."
Oh, and I can't STAND it when a woman files her fingernails in public. I will snatch that file right out of her manicured hands.
Otherwise I'm a very courteous person, on or off boards.
Why can't you stand it when a woman files her fingernails in public? I understand your frustration with Glenn, I've had that same feeling for the last year or two. Even though you may push for a thing or two that I disagree with, I hope that you win.
Sad isn't it Lee doesn't have the guts to come on this site to challenge you?
Who do they, The G.O.B.s, send but an Astoria Port Commissioner to come to his defense as if that will impress anybody.
Glenn Taggart of all people who, by all appearnces might have a few of his own "interest' issues to deal with.
Who was it said: "we must all hang together or we will all surely hang seperately."
Ms. Price you don't have to compell Glenn Taggart to do a damned thing except mind his own damned business, get a spine and tell the GOB's to kiss his ass.
Lee brags about being on what, 18 Committees of one sort or another.
In the "Volunter Business", people like Lee are called "Committee Collectors".
They sign on to committees to get their name on the roster, go around boasting about all the Committees they serve on but, in actuality the only thing they truly contribute is just their name, no service at all.
Here's a look at Lee's attendence record at a few County Boards he says he serves on and he's free to verify or confirm these numbers if he wishes:
*1 of 14 Fair Board meetings?
*1 of 22 Soil and Conservation?
*1 PSCC meeting?
Yep! just a "Committe Collector" but he's "Experienced"
Is this some kinda satire?
A sell-out politician attempting to cover the ass of another politician of questionable ethics critiquing the platform of an opponent.
This ain't an election it is a Carnival Sideshow.
Cindy Price you got this election won hands down and good luck to you in serving Clatsop County.
From "IndyMedia" a Breakdown with analysis and counter from Rose Priven On the financila structure of Taggart's Port Project.
A mysterious deal?
Encumbent Astoria Port Commissioner Breaks Ground On His Own Project On Port Property!
author: CDG
You will See a "Common Sense" overview on the financing of this Project by Rose Priven of "People For Responsible Prosperity" out of Warrenton, Oregon that casts some serious questions as to the integrity of what's going on here.
This was part of an interchange between Taggart and Priven back during the last election run for Port of Astoria Commissioners.
You be the judge
Commercial Development: Will House New Marina Office, Restrooms & Showers
C.A. Taggart Construction recently broke ground on its commercial development near the West Basin. The building will also house new showers and restrooms for boaters, as well as the Port's Harbor Master office. Completion is anticipated by Spring 2006.
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1st interghange by Taggart:
Last night at a candidate function, Rose Priven (I assume on behalf of my
opponent Tom Brownson) critisized the lease the port will pay for a new
marina office and restrooms.
Her challenge was at best "a reach" and obviously not well prepared. I'll
also mention it was so far out, I hope she doesn't try to bounce this off of
everyone.
Her contention was the Port was getting a bad deal on the lease.
Unfortunately, her financial skills were left behind when she did the math.
She contended over a 50 year period of the lease, the Port would pay $1
million some odd dollars. She also did not explain that I am also paying
lease to the port. When you factor in the difference, at the 50 year period,
the effectively pays $567,600. Good deal or bad deal? Well, as a developer,
that gives me about a 2% return. Rose, go find a developer that will jump at
that deal. I'll give you a hint. They don't exist.
Now lets get into the real world of real estate finance. Rose, as someone
who touts finances as an expertise, I'm surprised you would speak about
something you obviously are not familiar with.
First of all, lets compare apples to apples on something all real estate
finance folks and developers are familiar with - Term of loans. We don't
talk in terms of 50 years. Lenders don't go there. At least I haven't found
any that will.
I like examples. Let's suppose the Port decided to build its own building.
For this type of facility, $125/sqft to build is a fair assumption if not
conservative. They are leasing approx. 1850 sqft. The first math we'll do is
how much it would take to build the building. $125 x 1850 = roughly 230,000
(I like round numbers). Next tack on $25k for architect/engineering. Now,
add $100k for site utilities. Total? About $350k.
Now, the port has to borrow the money because the port doesn't have the
cash. $350k for 20 years at 7% interest. Keep in mind the interest rate is
standard because this project doesn't add jobs to qualify for low interest
loans.
Monthly payment - $2700
Principal - $350,000
Total interest paid for 20 years - $300,000
Total life cost - $650,000
Ok, still with me? Let's compare the other apple.
Port's lease paid to me - $2304/month
My lease paid to port - $1358/month
Difference - $946/month
Since the effective amount of cost to the port is $946/month, we use that
number.
Based on 20 years, the cost to the Port is roughly $226,800
Let's summarize the 20 year cost so you can clearly understand.
Port builds its own building - $650,000
Port leases space - $226,800
Is the Port truly getting a bad deal here or a good deal?
Rose, you might want to consult your finacial handbook before you answer.
Heck, bounce it off a developer. At least do a little bit of research before
you talk about matters such as this. Conscise preparation is the first step
towards credibility.
g
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Priven's Retort;
Hi Glenn,
I don't often read this forum but I guess it is a good thing I did today. I
must have really touched a sore point last night--your anger is palpable. I
was not representing Tom Brownson as you assumed. As a matter of fact, I was
not attacking you in any way. I tried to make it clear that you acted
absolutely legally and correctly in this matter. I made a point of stating
that you had recused yourself from the proceedings. It is really up to the
other commissioners to defend their actions. Afterall, it was their
responsibility to look after the interests of the port.
I do not claim to be any financial whiz kid, but I don't buy into your
logic.
Since you prefer to talk about a twenty year period as that would be the
life of a loan, then it is clear that anyone leasing that property at $1358.
per month would pay the port approximately $325,920. over twenty years. That
is the value of the use of the property for that period of time.
Under the lease with you, the port has agreed to pay you roughly $552,960.
over a twenty year period for the lease of part of your building.
I am also willing to accept your figures on the 20 year cost of the port
borrowing money and building the stand alone facility which you stated would
be $650,000. The difference between the cost of renting for twenty years and
the cost of buying (according to your figures) is about $400. more that the
port would have to pay. Obviously, at the end of that period of time, the
port's loan payments would drop to $0. and it would own the building. If it
rented the facility from you, payments would continue for up to thirty more
years. If the port rented part of your building for the full fifty years
possible under the lease agreement, the port would pay to you about
$1,382,4000. That is the value of the lease.
If you lease the land for the full fifty years possible at $1358. per month,
you will have paid the port $814,800. That is the value of the use of the
property.
One cannot simply say that one payment offsets the other because there is
the value of the use of the property to consider.
As I said last night, nothing is ever simple and there are nuances to
consider such as property tax, maximizing the value of the property,
available space and its configuration, etc. Nonetheless, to make my point,
let's look at a hypothetical situation.
Suppose a company leased a piece of property for $1358. per month over a 30
year time period with two 10 year extensions. Potentially, they would pay
the port about $814,800 over a fifty year period. If the port built a stand
alone restroom/office facility, it would cost $650,000. for the first 20
years then the payments would drop to $0. If the port wanted to dedicate the
lease income from that first piece of property for the building of a stand
alone facility for the first twenty years, its out of pocket expenses would
be $400. per month as opposed to $944.95 under the existing leases.
Under the current leases, the port will be paying $732,400. more than it
would cost to build their own facility. The only way the current deal can
seem to be advantageous to the port is if you fail to take into account the
value of the use of the land.
The bottom line of this deal, it seems to me, is that the Taggart company
gets to use the property for free and the port gets to rent the
restrooms/office for more than twice the money that it would take to build
its own. I can see that this is a good deal for you and your company but I
just don't see how it is a good deal over the long run for the port.
Rose
And this has what to do with the "Price" of tea in china? Patrick (anonymous), you can hammer me all you want. Doesn't really phase me. You should know that by now.
Let's stick with the issue at hand. If you feel the urge to have a Glenn field day column, you have your venues.
If you are mad like Cyndi is at me for asking tough questions, attack the message, not the messenger.
Glenn, as I have said over and OVER: I do not mind your questions nor do I think they are tough. I am not "mad" at you about anything. You use this forum for one reason only: to shil for your preferred candidate and, in the doing, to twist my every word. That sort of nonsense deters serious thinkers from contributing. I ask you to stop it, now. Yes, that's what I mean: STOP.
I haven't noticed Glenn use the forum for self purpose. I have noticed Patrick use this and every forum to promote votes for who he wants. Like we care who he wants!
"Glenn said...
And this has what to do with the "Price" of tea in china? Patrick (anonymous), you can hammer me all you want. Doesn't really phase me. You should know that by now."
Now Glenn, why would you think I would find it necessary to hide behind an "Anonymous Post" or make the assumption?
Are you that paranoid my friend?
I did not post this or any of the other anonymous posts you may want to attribute to me but, it appears somebody's out to put you in the same category as your colleague and the fella you seem to be attempting to do "Damage Control" for....Richard Lee.
Believe me, I have something to say I will damned sure put my name on it.
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